Elite Officer Recalls Bin Laden Hunt
CIA Chief: Bin Laden Alive, Worried About 'Own Security'
Hayden Says U.S. Disrupted Plot That Would Have Rivaled 9/11
By JASON RYAN and BRIAN ROSS
November 13, 2008
Osama bin Laden is alive and "putting a lot of energy into his own security," the director of the CIA, General Michael Hayden, said today.
He also claimed, without providing details, that the US intelligence community had disrupted an attack "that would have rivaled the destruction of 9/11." A senior intelligence official said Hayden was referring to the 2006 liquid bomb on airliners plot that was foiled in London.
"American and its friends have taken the fight to the enemy," Gen. Hayden said in a broad roundup of efforts to fight al Qaeda.
"Al Qaeda has suffered serious setbacks, but it is a determined, adaptive enemy unlike any our nation has ever faced," he said.
Without directly referring to the CIA's offensive blitz of unmanned missile attacks in the tribal areas of Pakistan, the CIA boss said the US had successfully isolated the al Qaeda leader bin Laden, referring to him in the present tense.
"He appears to be largely isolated from the day-to-day operations of the organization he leads," Hayden said in a speech delivered to the Atlantic Council in Washington.
Hayden said the failure to kill or capture bin Laden in the seven years since the 9/11 attacks, could be explained by the "rugged and inaccessible" terrain of the Afghanistan-Pakistan border area and "the fact that bin Laden has worked to avoid detection."
The CIA director provided no other details but it was the first public indication of the intelligence agency's growing effort to narrow the focus of the search for bin Laden and other top terror leaders.
President-elect Barack Obama has not yet decided whether he will ask Hayden to stay on as director. Several of Obama's top advisers feel that while Hayden did a good job stabilizing morale and performance at the CIA following the debacle of the Iraq War, his connections to warrantless surveillance and so-called torture techniques make him unacceptable as the continuing director of the CIA.
"The truth is, we simply don't know what would happen if bin Laden is killed or captured, but I'm willing to bet that it would work in our favor," Hayden said.
Hayden said the deaths of at least six top al Qaeda commanders in Pakistan had kept the terror group "off balance."
Hayden said he wanted to give the incoming administration "as clear a picture as possible of the state of the conflict and the shape of the enemy."
He claimed al Qaeda in Iraq "is on the verge of strategic defeat." But he said the "bleed-out" of al Qaeda veterans from Iraq is now a growing concern.
"Iraq veterans also have been involved in planning attacks in Europe and the United States," Gen. Hayden said.
The good news of success in Iraq against al Qaeda was measured against the terror group's alarming growth in North and East Africa and Yemen, he said in his remarks.
Hayden also took a question about his political future as the head of the agency in an Obama administration after his speech to the Atlantic Council. Hayden said, "I'll let Adm. McConnell, speak for himself&we serve at the pleasure of the President&This is a decision for the President&If asked to stay I would strongly consider it."
Hayden also said, "The DNI is the top intelligence advisor to the President, so there has to be a personal relationship."
Elite Officer Recalls Bin Laden Hunt
Oct. 5, 2008
(CBS) Shortly after 9/11, the Pentagon ordered a top secret team of American commandos into Afghanistan with a single, simple order: kill Osama bin Laden. It was America's best chance to eliminate the leader of al Qaeda. The inside story of exactly what happened in that mission, and how close it came to its objective has never been told until now.
The man you are about to meet was the officer in command, leading a team from the U.S. Army's mysterious Delta Force - a unit so secret, it's often said Delta doesn't exist. But you are about to see Delta's operators in action.
Why would the mission commander break his silence after seven years? He told 60 Minutes correspondent Scott Pelley that most everything he has read in the media about his mission is wrong and now he wants to set the record straight.
"Our job was to go find him, capture or kill him, and we knew the writing on the wall was to kill him because nobody wanted to bring Osama bin Laden back to stand trial in the United States somewhere," the mission commander tells Pelley.
In 2001, just 10 weeks after 9/11, he was a 37-year-old Army major leading a team of America's most elite commandos. Even now, 60 Minutes can't tell you his name or show you his face. 60 Minutes hired a theatrical make up artist to take this former Delta officer through a series of transformations to disguise him. He calls himself "Dalton Fury," and is the author of "Kill Bin Laden," a new book out this week.
Dalton Fury is used to disguises. In fact in 2001, his entire team transformed themselves in Afghanistan. "Everybody has their beard grown. Everybody’s wearing local Afghan clothing, sometimes carrying the same weapons as them," he explains.
"The idea was that if this all worked out Osama bin Laden would be dead, and no one would ever know that Delta Force was there?" Pelley asks.
"That's right," Fury says. "That's the plan. And that always is when you're talking about Delta Force."
And there was no mission more important to the United States. "We'll smoke him out of his cave and we'll get him eventually," President Bush had vowed.
But the administration's strategy was to let Afghans do most of the fighting. Using radio intercepts and other intelligence, the CIA pinpointed bin Laden in the mountains near the border of Pakistan. Following the strategy of keeping an Afghan face on the war, Fury's Delta team joined the CIA and Afghan fighters and piled into pickup trucks. They videotaped their journey to a place called Tora Bora.
Fury told 60 Minutes his orders were to kill bin Laden and leave the body with the Afghans.
"Right here you're looking at basically the battlefield from the last location that we had a firm on Osama bin Laden's location," Fury explains to Pelley, looking at a ridgeline with an elevation of about 14,000 feet.
Asked how tough it would be to attack such a position on a scale of one to ten, Fury tells Pelley, "In my experience it’s a ten."
Delta developed an audacious plan to come at bin Laden from the one direction he would never expect.
"We want to come in on the back door," Fury explains. "The original plan that we sent up through our higher headquarters, Delta Force wants to come in over the mountain with oxygen, coming from the Pakistan side, over the mountains and come in and get a drop on bin Laden from behind."
But they didn't take that route, because Fury says they didn't get approval from a higher level. "Whether that was Central Command all the way up to the president of the United States, I'm not sure," he says.
The next option that Delta wanted to employ was to drop hundreds of landmines in the mountain passes that led to Pakistan, which was bin Laden’s escape route.
"First guy blows his leg off, everybody else stops. That allows aircraft overhead to find them. They see all these heat sources out there. Okay, there a big large group of Al Qaeda moving south. They can engage that," Fury explains.
But they didn't do that either, because Fury says that plan was also disapproved. He says he has "no idea" why.
"How often does Delta come up with a tactical plan that's disapproved by higher headquarters?" Pelley asks.
"In my experience, in my five years at Delta, never before," Fury says.
The military wouldn't tell 60 Minutes who rejected the plans or why. Fury wasn't happy about it but he pressed on with the only option he had left, a frontal assault on bin Laden's dug-in al Qaeda fighters. The Delta team had only about 50 men. So the mission would depend on the Afghan militia as guides and muscle. Their leader was a warlord and self-styled general named Ali.
"Ali told us after about 30 seconds of discussion, he kind of listened to me ramble on and then the first thing he said was, 'I don't think you guys can handle it. You can't handle Al Qaeda in these mountains,'" Fury remembers.
Ali met with a CIA officer and accepted millions of dollars in cash from the agency. In short order, his Mujahideen fighters were escorting Delta Force into the mountains.
"Paint the picture for me of these Afghan Mujahideen troops," Pelley asks.
"They range anywhere from maybe 14 up to maybe 80. Various dress. Basically, we would probably consider it rags, which is the standard dress for a Mujahideen warrior.
There is a video of the top secret mission, which has never been seen by the public before, until now. It was recorded by the Delta commandos themselves. Dressed like Afghans, the Americans maneuvered up the mountains, calling in air strikes on al Qaeda. By day they would advance, but at night they soon discovered their Afghan allies went home.
"Well, I have to assume that if you started up the hills of Tora Bora, and you and the Mujahideen took territory, they didn't abandon that at night?" Pelley asks.
"Oh yes they did," Fury says.
He says they gave it up to the enemy. "The Mujahideen would go up, get into a skirmish, firefight, lose a guy or two, maybe kill an al Qaeda guy or two, and then they leave. It was almost like it was an agreement, an understanding between the two forces fighting each other. Almost put on a good show and then leave."
Four days after arriving in Tora Bora, Dalton Fury was faced with a fateful command decision: three of his men were in trouble behind enemy lines, and at the same time the CIA had been listening to bin Laden's radio transmissions and had a breakthrough.
"And this is where it gets complicated. At about the same time, the CIA, George, comes into our room and he says, 'Guys, I got a location for Osama bin Laden.' That’s probably the best locational data we've had on UBL ever."
It was night, so Fury was without his Afghan allies. Still, he rescued his men and then found himself approaching bin Laden's doorstep. "We're about 2,000 meters away from where we think bin Laden's at still. From where we're at. Now we have to make a decision," he remembers.
Fury had two choices: advance his small team with no Afghan support, or return to camp and assault in the morning. He was under orders to make the Afghans take the lead, and intelligence said there were more than 1,000 hardened fighters protecting bin Laden.
"You write in the book 'My decision to abort that effort to kill or capture bin Laden when we might have been with 2,000 meters of him, about 2,000 yards, still bothers me. It leaves me with a feeling of somehow letting down our nation at a critical time,'" Pelley quotes.
Asked why he feels that way, Fury says, "Had we gone up that ridgeline towards that location, Osama bin Laden might have been 500 meters way. We might have run right into him. So there's always that doubt that we might have run into him. We also might got up there and found nothing. It wasn't worth the risk at that particular moment to go up there and play cowboy. It was better to be cautious, refit, go up there with the entire force the next day and play the battle out as we had planned."
In the morning, bin Laden was on the radio. The CIA, Delta, and their Afghan allies were listening.
How did the Afghans react when they heard from bin Laden on the radio?
"Osama Bin Laden is [to] many a Muslim’s hero," Fury says. "These guys in my opinion were more in awe of Osama Bin Laden than they were willing to kill him. When they heard him talking on the radio they would gather around the individual that held that hand held transistor. He would hold it up in the air, almost as if he didn't want the connection to break, almost like they could see the ridge line Osama bin laden happened to be talking from, like if they could almost see him and feel his presence and they just stood there with wide eyes and somewhat in awe that here is the leader of the jihad, the leader of al Qaeda and they’re actually hearing his voice over the radio."
"And these were the men who were supposed to help you capture or kill him? Some allies," Pelley remarks.
"Some were better than others," Fury says.
The radio intercepts gave Delta a fix on bin Laden's location. And one of the Delta soldiers narrated his own video.
"This top hill. The very top up there. That’s supposedly where Bin Laden is hiding out….We’ve seen movement along this saddle right here. We don’t know if it’s friendly or not so we haven’t been able to call fire on it," the soldier said on the video.
And then something extraordinary happened: Fury's Afghan allies announced they had negotiated a cease fire with al Qaeda, something the Americans had no interest in. When Fury's team advanced anyway, his Afghan partners drew their weapons on Delta. It took 12 hours to end the bogus cease fire, precious time for al Qaeda to move.
Fury says their assumption was that bin Laden was heading for a valley at that time.
Bin Laden had changed direction, and the tone of his radio calls. "Clearly under duress. Clearly hurting. Clearly caring for his men," Fury says.
In a notebook, Fury wrote down the translation of bin Laden's words as his team listened on the radio. "Quote, 'Our prayers were not answered. Times are dire and bad. We did not get support from the apostates, who are our brothers. I'm sorry for bringing you here. It is okay to surrender,' end quote," Fury reads.
Fury says that when he heard that, he thought it was almost over.
Soon after that intercept, a Delta team called "Jackal" radioed that they had bin Laden's entourage in sight.
"The operation Jackal team observed 50 men moving into a cave that they hadn't seen before. The Mujahideen said they saw an individual, a taller fellow, wearing a camouflage jacket. Everybody put two and two together, 'Okay, that's got to be Osama Bin Laden egressing from the battlefield.' They called up every available bomb in the air, took control of the airspace. And they dropped several hours of bombs on the cave he went into. We believe, it was our opinion at the time, that he died inside that cave," Fury says.
Bin Laden's radio went silent. And Dalton Fury believed the bombs had killed him. Six months later, American and Canadian forces came back for proof. They checked al Qaeda fighting holes and used explosives to try open up collapsed caves. This is where they hoped to find bin Laden’s body. It's an al Qaeda graveyard rising from the opium poppies.
The troops dug up bodies, removed fingers for forensic analysis, then carefully reburied the bodies. But, there was no luck. In October 2004, bin Laden released a video and Fury knew his team had failed.
Today, based on intelligence, Fury believes he knows what happened. He says that bin Laden was wounded in the shoulder by shrapnel from an American bomb, and was then hidden a town next to the al Qaeda cemetery. "We believe a gentleman brought him in - a gentleman, him and his family were supporting al Qaeda during the battle. They were providing food, ammo, water. We think he went to that house, received medical attention for a few days then, and then we believe they put him in a vehicle moved him back across the pass," Fury says.
"It’s my understanding they believe he got into a vehicle. He moved as far as he could and then got out and walked across or was carried across into Pakistan. Free and clear," Fury says. "When this is all over and this all dies down, and once we finally do grab Osama Bin Laden, I think the fact that we lost him in Tora Bora will move out of my memory so to speak. I'm looking forward to those days."
Fury says he'll donate his profits from the book to the Special Operations
Reveals Failed Delta Hunt for bin Laden
November 07, 2008
Military.com|by Christian Lowe
It was bitter cold. The harsh wind swept across their high mountain redoubt with only thin native blankets to shelter them from the bitter Afghan air. They were hours from resupply, carrying only what they could on their backs.
And that's just how they wanted it.
Peering through their high-tech spotting scopes and talking in low whispers to pilots above, the Delta Force operators high in the mountains of Tora Bora were warmed by the thought that they, more than anyone else in that desolate land, were killing more perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks than anyone else in the world.
Poll: Who is responsible for losing bin Laden at Tora Bora?
For nearly a week, 40 of America's best trained, most elite Soldiers from the 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment Delta, or "Delta Force," combed the 14,000 foot peaks with wavering Afghan militia allies to hunt down the world's most wanted man: Osama bin Laden. In a first ever account, the man who shepherded those bearded warriors into Tora Bora's thin mountain air writes of the near misses, frustrated plans and weak-kneed guerrillas that stymied their quest for al Qaeda's top commanders.
Writing under the name "Dalton Fury," the Delta Force commander -- a major at the time - gives a detailed look in "Kill bin Laden: A Delta Commander's Account of the Hunt for the World's Most Wanted Man" how the unit prepared for, planned and executed its complicated mission.
For Delta, it was an unprecedented task. A force best know for lightning-fast counterterrorism raids, long range reconnaissance and high value target snatches, the operators on the Tora Bora mission had to work a hybrid plan that combined unconventional warfare, intelligence collection, long-range logistics and close air support - all while waiting for the call to swoop down on an Osama hideout at a moment's notice.
"We went into a hellish land that was considered impregnable and controlled by al Qaeda leaders who had helped defeat the Soviet Union," Fury writes. "We killed them by the dozen. Many more surrendered. ... And we heard the demoralized -- bin Laden speak on the radio, pleading for women and children to fight for him."
"Then he abandoned them all and ran from the battlefield," Fury adds with some satisfaction. "Yes. He ran away."
(Though Military.com knows Fury's true name, we will honor his wishes and not reveal it here.)
As Fury tells it, his Delta colleagues racked up an impressive body count and thought for a while they had actually killed the al Qaeda leader or his deputy. But a reader can clearly see between the lines of "Kill bin Laden" that Fury was frustrated with his unit's lack of success in killing their key target. While dropping JDAMs on terrorist caves was gratifying, Fury never mentions a single shot fired by his operators in the entire early December 2001 engagement -- cold comfort to some of the best combat marksmen in the world who were itching for an up-close fight.
Fury is also disappointed by his commanders' reluctance to engage his operators more into the fight, mandating the reliance on Afghan militias to do most of the heavy lifting. His unit proposed two plans to corner bin Laden. One involved a backdoor, high-altitude mountaineering assault from the Pakistan border, the other called for sowing GATOR anti-personnel mines along the most likely approaches and escape routes to stymie an al Qaeda escape long enough for a commando assault.
Both plans were rejected by higher headquarters -- or the White House -- and Fury was left to the worst possible alternative: a frontal assault.
"Kill bin Laden" is one of the most detailed and informative descriptions of a battle forgotten by most Americans, but one that was truly the closest the West gotten to bin Laden since 9/11. It's not the "tell all" of Eric Haney's "Inside Delta Force" but compares well with Gary Bernsten's "Jawbreaker" in it's revelation of black ops.
And that's where Fury has bumped into the most controversy. Some in the Army Special Force community have rejected Fury for his breach of Delta's code of silence - a written and un-written rule among operators that one never speaks to outsiders of their endeavors. Credible online forums have already revealed Fury's true name, ignoring his pleas for anonymity for fear of endangering his family.
Fury declined several requests for an interview with Military.com to discuss this issue and details of his book.
Revealing his missions and opening Delta to the world in even this small way has earned "Kill bin Laden" scorn from portions of the special operations community. But Fury's critics never dispute his facts.
So give "Kill bin Laden" a read; the author did the American public a service by explaining to the victims of 9/11 how America tried to kill the mastermind behind that horrifying day, and it could serve to remind us all that "enemy number one" is still out there - and so is Delta, hunting him to the ends of the Earth.
7513757 Nov 7, 2008 3:31:29 PM My father had a friend that was Delta and nobody knew except my father and and the guys brother. When he died a letter he had written that was in a depodit box was read out saying what he was where he went and the things he did. It all ended with an apology that for so long he could never fully open up to anyone. I had always wanted to be a soldier but that day I knew I never wanted to go for Delta. The Infantry was good for me. Hopefully the blue falcons that spread his name out has not put him and his family in harms way.
jagdbaer Nov 7, 2008 3:33:47 PM It was a very good read and it confirmed
some suspicions I've had for a long time: National Command Authority did
not do enough to get Bin Laden.
RogerWhite Nov 7, 2008 3:59:47 PM I read and enjoyed this book a great deal. However, the following facts made me angry: 1. The politicians blew it when they insisted on Afghanis being the face of the operation. 2. The Afghanis we were depending on to kill bin Laden were cowardly,dope-smoking,goat-lovers who revered the al Qaeda leader. 3. Colonel John Mulholland was so afraid of suffering casualties that he effectively tied the hands of the Special Forces soldiers who could have helped Delta Force with their mission. Mulholland deserved a special Assisted-bin-Laden award.
ElmsBigBro Nov 7, 2008 4:11:58 PM It does sound like a good read, but if it contains some of the more sensitive tactics used, I could see why the SO's might be a little POed. I'll have to pick this one up.
psyops2009 Nov 7, 2008 5:08:53 PM It's my view that President Bush wanted
to use the terrorist attacks of 9-11-2001 as an "excuse" to start
a War with Iraq. If bin Laden would have been killed or captured in the Fall
of 2001, the Iraq War would have been harder to "sell" to the American
people. Thus, bin Laden escaped and the "War against Terror" moved
My hat is off, to this group of Delta Force Warriors, for trying their best to catch the World's # one Terrorist, Osama bin Laden.
jknight23 Nov 7, 2008 5:37:36 PM I just finished reading this book. I think if the muhj didn't leave the mountain every night and loose the ground they gained things would have been different. And the fact that the warlord (not Ali think it was Zamar?) was probably working for Bin Laden. His fake accusations that Al Qaeda was surrendering sure bought Bin Laden alota time to run. Delta gets my whole hearted respect, as well as the SBS, Airforce combat controllers, and Adam Khan that translator that made things happen...Cheers to those mates
18884064 Nov 7, 2008 5:37:58 PM The tactic of using the Afghanis was choosen
to avoid looking like the US was an invading army and accidently turn the
tribes against the US... and instead let them go for Al Qaida.
Secondary purpose was to keep Bin Laudin from being a Martyr and inspiring others... by saying "Hey it was other Muslims who killed him not just us."
Understandable reasoning behind it, but the Afghanis weren't a trained millitary and could be bought.
4499124 Nov 7, 2008 5:40:45 PM I read much of Bernsten's Jawbreaker as there are several other books in Borders in the Military History section. Delta Force operators and the top brass are probably frustrated with the books and the stuff on the web about US special operations forces as are the British SAS honchos regarding their experiences. We have over 31,000 troops in Afghanistan now and we could have a total of 54,000 by next spring including support and logistics units. The 25th Infantry brigades rotating out of Hawaii to Kandahar must be one hell of a shock to newbies in the division! Tora Bora is not to be confused with Bora Bora, a South Pacific paradise...
badmac933 Nov 7, 2008 9:05:05 PM Shoulda sent in the SEALs.
wanderman Nov 8, 2008 12:13:21 AM They should have just used a tactical nuke on them at tora bora and this would have been done for years ago - saving the American Taxpayer's and 4000+ American Lives.
Also I think its a travesty and grave injustice and smack in the face to have those who serve our Nation and not even have the G.D. common courtesy to count their vote.
backtoiraq Nov 8, 2008 1:07:39 AM I wonder what would have happened if they would have got him? would someone else in the hierarchy stepped in and took over for bin laden? yes it would have been a great coup, but as an end all, i doubt it would have been. we have killed several high ranking al queda operatives and the war goes on. i will read the book, i cant help it.
Sparta275 Nov 8, 2008 1:24:16 AM The White House did not want to end their precious 'War on Terrorism' due to the fact that there would be no more "bad guy" to fight.
The 1st Ranger Battalion was on stand-by ready to help and assist Delta
as directed but it was denied by "the very top" for mysterious
Had the Rangers been given to Delta Bin Laden would have been captured or killed.
No Bin Laden and the general public will consider the War on Terrorism over. Yes we are that fickle and the White House knew it, Defense Contractors knew it, the whole lot of em knew it.
Comanche_21 Nov 8, 2008 2:05:37 AM If Bin Laden was in sight of our Operators, Delta should have seized him while they had the chance. If our leaders can't make the tough call to take out OBL when they had the chance under President Bush, no way in hell will anything happen to find and seize OBL under Barrack Hussein Obama that's for sure.
OS1Harvey Nov 8, 2008 5:18:04 AM When this aired on 60 minutes...I passed the video on to an OpEd. Many tought it to be more Main Stream Media lies. Some say let the past go. Me...I don't think so. I want to understand...WHY? http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4502669n
crackerjacks61 Nov 8, 2008 6:36:22 AM "It's my view that President
Bush wanted to use the terrorist attacks of 9-11-2001 as an "excuse" to
start a War with Iraq. If bin Laden would have been killed or captured in
the Fall of 2001, the Iraq War would have been harder to "sell" to
the American people. Thus, bin Laden escaped and the "War against Terror" moved
My hat is off, to this group of Delta Force Warriors, for trying their best to catch the World's # one Terrorist, Osama bin Laden."
My feelings exactly.
" avoid looking like the US was an invading army and accidently turn the tribes against the US... "
You mean like we did in Iraq?
navyvet59_81 Nov 8, 2008 7:09:20 AM It certainly brings to mind the ever lasting thought of what the folks in the trenches have to contend with, get the best training in the world, then some bimbo on top makes a decision that he is not qualified to make, just for the sake of being "shown up". When oh when do we learn?
Zodiac13 Nov 8, 2008 6:34:51 PM This is so cheesy. No wonder we can't catch Bin Laden...it's like a bunch of little wanna be GI Joe's out there.
merc60 Nov 9, 2008 6:15:43 AM if OBL would have been killed either his son or his number 1 would have taken over. they didnt have OBL in their sights. LOL, some of you puter warriors need to sit back and relax- you have no clue as to any of the five w's to delta,S.F. or any of the S.O.C.'s of our military. this isnt stratego, or some game you play on your couch!
LastGasp Nov 9, 2008 11:19:31 PM If you have not read the document "Learning
Lessons" (chapter 5) by the Rand Corp, Then S.T.F.U. the best analysis on the subject was produced for the J.C.O.S., and who gave a report documented the issue. Everything else pales by comparison. Get your facts from the source that our leaders get their facts from, or your just talking crap.
marduk185 Nov 9, 2008 11:26:13 PM obl's been on our (the anti-terrorist community's)"radar" for a very long time. i first heard of him in the early ninety's and weve had plenty oppurtunities to off him if that were the gameplan but id contend that hes still on the payroll and always has been since the soviet vs. afghanistan days when the bush/saudi family alliance first formed. he's probably under comfortable house arrest in the caves under the white house with a team from al jazeera making videos.lol
LastGasp Nov 10, 2008 12:37:53 AM I'm laughing, in the cave? yea, right! lol
LastGasp Nov 10, 2008 12:45:18 AM O.K. I've reached my limit on the B.A.C.
meter so I'll tip my hand.( did you get the mess. M arduk?)your hitting it
on the head! r.s.v.p. You know the e-mail.......do it, I need to know the
lay of the land. dig?
Marduk is a interesting name, are you aware of it's begining? Tell me at the e-mail address I gave.
LastGasp Nov 10, 2008 1:43:27 AM wanderman Nov 8, 2008 12:13:21 AM They
should have just used a tactical nuke on them at tora bora and this would
have been done for years ago - saving the American Taxpayer's and 4000+ American
Also I think its a travesty and grave injustice and smack in the face to have those who serve our Nation and not even have the G.D. common courtesy to count their vote.
Sorry, the reality and the dream-land are/is years apart, if we, the U.S. would have done what was right against what is wrong in the name of "God"! the U.S. military and the goverment needs to decide if we are the owners of it or the leasers of it!( as in the renters ) The fakes will fall to the names of history! We need to all get on the same page, they, the Mulims want us dead, get off the dope! kill or be killed! the fools will get what they deserve! Dont be a jerk -- to pray for a "kindler-genteler-nation" is that of a fool! dont drag us down with you!
GOD BLESS ALL OF OUR FIGHTING MEN...STAY SAFE AND
COME HOME SOON...
papa54 Nov 12, 2008 9:09:29 AM as always leave it to the media and they will mess up any operations> They did it in vietnam and about everywhere our country was on a battle ground.The vietnames always listened to the radeos' for the most up to date location of our troops and where and what the plans were. The media starts more wars for better ratings and once obtained they play John D Public as long as they can for more cash flow, then once the American public turns its head away the media begins its push that we as a nation should not have been there to begin with.It's the same ole story from the begining of this countries involvements in confrontations across the world trying to maintain a peace in hostile countries and among its people. i say there should be a complete media blackout and no up front camera crews and spokesmen. The media has cost us more lives than any other enemy, by telling the enemy our next set of plans.When they are caught they should all be taken out back and shot for high treason.
18349792 Nov 12, 2008 9:21:06 AM I had a friend in High School who's dad was "retired" DELTA... Right after 9/11 he went away for a few months telling his family and friends that he was going "home" to help with the family business... Thank God he came back... And from what I hear his family was well taken care of. I don't think those guys ever really get out... I know that he would go away for 6 months at a time and noone would know where he was and then on day he would just show up somewhere and tell his wife to come pick him up. He never really talked about his life as a DELTA, but you could see it in his eyes. Thank you to all our men and women serving right now. And thank you to all that served!
clock_out69 Nov 12, 2008 9:57:40 AM I dont get why these guys are telling
the public about supposedly the armys best kept secret. Eric Haney wrote
a lot of info to us of how they select their people, this guy is telling
us about their operations, and even the founder of delta wrote a book after
he retired and only a few years after delta was formed. believe me I want
to know about delta force but that doesnt mean that I should know about delta
red3644 Nov 12, 2008 10:24:43 AM Shoulda sent in the SEALs. ???
HaHaha, they'd spend all their time checking their hair and sunglasses to get him. Good laugh though.
17680996 nov 12, 2008 10:46:45 am to fury: thank you and your boy's for
best you could do, in an impossible situation that
was intended to get rid of o.b.laden. people need to know the truth, plain and simple. your team was never intended to get the job done. the reason for
that is as obscure as o.b.laden himself. as i have
been saying for a long time, the tribal region
between afghanistan and pakistan needs to be turned
into glass. the intel people know that this -
has been holding up there for quite some time, along with other al qaeda operatives that are
a threat to national security. the real deal will never happen until pakistan sees that we are
going to commit more troops into that sector of the war on terrorism. there is no way in hell to end this decisivley until we put enough troops in that area and let the sop's do the job that they are intended to do! the pentagon needs to wake up and put a couble of divisions where the outposts are, not two brigades. why they don't would require another book to be written.
a book that would be sharper than a two edged blade held to those in washington who have lied to us. any sof can tell you that there is good money out there to be made in any war.
OldRotorHead Nov 12, 2008 11:04:26 AM I have a copy of Robin Moore's book "The Hunt For Bin Laden". In it he specifically talks about two different incidents in the end of 2001 where troops (both SAS & US Special Forces) had visual ID on him. Both times the troops were ordered by higher authority to pull back because they thought it might be a trap. This book is a must read for anyone that follows this. Robin Moore is the only civilian journalist to go through and complete special forces training, I believe Green Beret. This book is no longer available to the public.
19302752 Nov 12, 2008 11:57:04 AM I blame Army re-supply for that failure. The men were doing their best while the "big chiefs" were sitting at some chi-chi dining facility getting drunk. This is the way the fighting men see it. Ask them!!! I am an ex-army wife and I have heard the men talk. Who's kidding who? They never said anything because it had repercussions with the brass but that is the honest truth.
19307371 nov 12, 2008 12:33:26 pm thankful vet. there is no training like real live real time on the job. our men are the best. just because we don't have the leaders with the courage their men do, thank god they still are allowed to try and do there job. they still have bullets. under carter and clinton they had to go bang bang pretending they were shooting. they will be ready when we have a leader that will use them...
Remove ALL MEDIA and let our troops do the job that they VOLUNTEERED to do.
18080476 Nov 12, 2008 12:50:13 PM I always enjoy the bashing a President, any President gets, for decisions that were made with the approval of Congress. It is almost as if people in the US don't understand the basis and workings of our own government as it relates to constitutional power. Remember, Bush asked for the war, but only Congress can enact war. That fact pointed out, the next step is to say that Bush lied to Congress. That leads the public to believe that Congress makes decisions on the accusations of the President alone, void of any outside resources such as Congressional staff members researching the information for validity, Congressional access to information from all DoD and Intelligence/Law Enforcement Agency, and foreign intelligence. People really should quite holding the President solely responsible. It is the collective governmental body that is at fault, not one man with limited congressional powers. When we move into a foreign territory, such as Afganistan or Iraq, just think of it as the big kid protecting the weaker kids against a bully on the way home from school.
As for the book, I think I am split on my thoughts about it. I believe in the public knowing the ineffectiveness of Legislative decisions on the working aspects of the military, but also have sworn oaths not allowing for the release of the inner workings of special operations to the public or anyone else outside the circle, and live with the agony and despair of having a former life unknown to my family and friends. Not being able to explain the numerous scars, the night sweats and nightmares, the distance in thoughts, at times living in an entirely different mental world than the rest of the living around me. The book does sound extremely interesting though.
I look forward to the final confrontation, when we can hold Bin Laden's head up on CNN, and declare one down, millions to go...
15095846 Nov 12, 2008 1:35:11 PM the truth? As early as Dec 2001, if this Delta Force would have knocked off bin laden that quick and that fast, then GWB would no longer have any good alibi to invade Iraq. Remember Saddam Husseinis his real target not bin Laden. Bin Laden did not pose a threat to his daddy. Saddam did so he's got to go. Remember now that his 8 years max tenure in the Oval is about to end, still there is no WMD or bin Laden anywhere in sight. But the only threat to his daddy's life was hanging on a noose, deader than a door knob so he really don't give a rat's butt if bin Laden gets caught or not at this stage of his presidency. I thought USA had all of the most sophisticated machines and satellites at our fingertips, but that works only if they want it pointed where they want it prying otherwise turned-off when it reaches a certain longitude or latitude 24-7. WMD was and still is the biggest deception on the 21st Century.
wileysnakeskins Nov 12, 2008 1:51:34 PM I remember the cia operative who had Ben Ladin in his sights and Clinton's man in the room, failed to give the go signal. It just makes you sick the cost in Americas best, most promising young and brave with the moral obligation to fight, protect and serve when so many are just signing up to get in on the fraud and greed involved in the financial markets. The operatives don't deserve the dishonor of not being able to fulfill their pledges to find and kill ben ladin and his second in command, not to forget the californaia idiot, known as the american al Queda, what a jerk, traitor, punk that is; could you imagine having to admit to being his parents. Pity them, but the hunt for ben ladin is no different than any other operation that the suits control from their antique desks in washington. God bless our troops and bless and keep those family members of all who have given their all for their country. United States of ChristianAmericanPatiots.
15095846 Nov 12, 2008 1:53:13 PM Another big issue: Right before the end of Desert Storm, GHWB, Sr. told Dick Cheney (Sec Def) to tell Gen. Colin Powell, Chairman, JCS to knock-off or kill Saddam Hussein after they kicked Saddams troops out of Kuwait. Gen. Powell said, NO to a direct order from the CINC White House. If Powell would have obeyed what he was told to do, then 9 years later, and $1Trillion Dollars later, our troops not have no need to return to Baghdad to kill Saddam just the same. Well, the rests is history. But Powell did not face a General Courts Martial for disobeying a direct order from G. Herbert Walker Bush, Sr. President of the USA at that time. All the deaths and mamed and sacrifice our troopss still do there could have been eliminated if Powell only obeyed what he was told to do. But his black gonads were bigger than Bush, Sr. If that was us? We'd been on hard labor since 1991 for life, eh? That is why he (Powell) also endorsed Obama instead of McCain. Remember, all his (Powell) life, he's stayed and close to and was a Republican until his true color came out. What a travesty.
6468030 Nov 12, 2008 2:45:34 PM Obviously Rogerwhite wasn't there to say how brave Col Mulholland is. I served with him and his commanders there in Afghanistan and Iraq and I would serve with him again if they let me. The reason the Afghanistan Soldiers led the mission because President Bush and Sec of Def Rumsfeld gave specific intructions to Gen Franks (who control the battle from his office in Fl) that there will be no show of force by the US we were there only to assit the Afghan gov.
19097087 Nov 12, 2008 4:55:01 PM Thank God for men like fury. Those rats that disclosed his name should be tried and shot. I only wish that I myself could kill Bin Ladin nothing would make me more happy than to see that jerk swinging from a noose out in public so all of america could take a shot at him.
glass6 Nov 12, 2008 6:14:11 PM If you all take a minute to look back the day after 9-11 us americans wanted to go after the bad guys . of course we seem to forget that. so they blame the president of course . did we forget the GOV. runs this country not the president . so maybe we should be blaming them instead .. iowa
16923145 Nov 12, 2008 8:04:43 PM class of 70-71 nam vet.
god bless the American fighting men and women of this great country.god bless GWB for protecting U.S. after 9/11 not one attack since,I congratulate him
for standing tall.sudam was a monster and need to be taking out obl will get his everyone stands before god on judment day.God bless America.Support the men and women in uniform.Then and Now'
11497417 Nov 12, 2008 11:01:18 PM OBL is probably in Waziristan. If he is not, a lot of bad guys are and we should give them some Rolling Thunder and Arc Light. Then do a body count. If that angers Pakistan, too bad. We have been giving them big bucks since the days when U-2's harassed the Commies out of Peshawar.
dashinterhund Nov 13, 2008 5:43:55 AM If the politicians would just get out of the way in wars, the sucess of many operations would have been "mission accomplished". But it seems every time we have the tiger finally caged, these same politicians somehow open up a window. If only the precepts of war were adhered to, how could any foe escape the punishment deemed appropriate. But, for reasons unknown or partially known, these same beaurocrats untie the bindings and off goes the tiger, or No. 1 on the hit parade. It all is our fault for putting these weak-kneed, anti-American pundits for "change" recast the dice and give the perps a new life. I don't understand the mindset of a Washington beaurocrat and hope to never know it. It has infected all our troops, discouraged well meaning people of the Congress of our country and still we elect them in droves. Not one has been ousted and now their hand picked is given a job of further undermining our prized troops even more. This man should be singled out and given he highest in-theatre role and answer to no one. If the beaurocrats want to do something good, let them join the armed forces. At least they wouldn't be in the belt-way any more and could do less harm to our fighting men and women. Semper Fi to the troops. Mission accomplshed, comrad beaurocrats.
tinbender75 Nov 13, 2008 8:16:58 AM So Comanche_21...
Why are Sparta's comments toxic and uncalled for? Have you got any support for your theory about B-O doing any better?
19055803 Nov 13, 2008 9:24:34 AM Why would anybody in the military put out stupid reports, false information, our soldires positions,for the where abouts of a murdering evil animal like bin laden. in my opinion let the soldiers do thier work as trained, keep the public sector out of it. it is also my opinion that the coward bin laden is already dead,died in a cave like a rat.
Cyclone13 Nov 13, 2008 10:32:29 AM Wow, yesterday's headline says that WMD
residue was found at Syrian bombed facility!
Wish we knew where they came from.
6532919 Nov 13, 2008 10:37:40 AM Capturing Ben Ladin would not have served the Bush adminstration well. Imagine Ben Lading captured or killed, this would have place Bush in an awkward poistion to continue spending billions on the war on terrorism
4677811 Nov 13, 2008 11:06:43 AM Saddam Hussein's Air Force Chief of Staff
(Saddam trusted him because he was a CHRISTIAN, so no Sunni/Shia/Kurd problem...interesting)
wrote a very good account of the last days of the Saddam regime, and says
that the "weapons of mass destruction", e.g. NUKE components were
secretly buried in the Syrian desert. Who knows? What we DO know is that
Saddam Hussein had CHEMICAL "weapons of mass destruction" which
he used on the Kurds, killing thousands of men, women, and children.
So, on principle, maybe going into Iraq wasn't such a bad idea...? Maybe it only turned to ca-ca when Wolfowitz and his neo-cons took over the CPA ("Hello? Mr. Bremmer?"), knowing NOTHING about how to occupy and "reform" a defeated dictatorship and prevent it from sliding into ANARCHY???
WHATEVER, we've been distracted way too long! The war against al Queda and the Taliban in AFGHANSITAN is THE MAIN EVENT...always has been!
And it depends on PAKISTAN, and access to the Northwest Frontier and Waziristan on BOTH sides of the border...! Gotta do it THERE! "Venciremos o moriremos!"
14650994 Nov 13, 2008 11:30:53 AM Taking an elite position needs to stay
secret. If not, the postion that these special ops need to take will be in
jeopardy. Why does the enemy always have the easy way to our intel? All they
have to do is read some top secret intel (in a novel) and know the way we
do things. We learn
a-lot from History!
I can understand the feeling being let down by POLITICS inbedded in the military (in which should NEVER happen). Special OPS is exactly what it means. SPECIAL OPS!!! If our hands are tied, then what's the use for our epertise/training? Politicians should be more interested in the BIG picture. Not worrying about their votes and pockets. They should worry more on incentives for those special assignments in which will provide a sense of appreciation. Most of all, money.
If fabrication is done in creating a novel and exact details are not displayed, then why not use your experience to make some money. People, and our enemy's love this stuff! But the key word is to FABRICATE the content!
14650994 Nov 13, 2008 11:37:56 AM Revised spelling errors.
Taking an elite position needs to stay secret. If not, the position that these special ops need to take will be in jeopardy. Why does the enemy always have the easy way to our intel? All they have to do is read some top secret intel (in a novel), or the newwspaper and know the way we do things. We learn a-lot from History!
I can understand the feeling being let down by POLITICS inbedded in the military (in which should NEVER happen). Special OPS is exactly what it means. SPECIAL OPS!!! If our hands are tied, then what's the use for our expertise/training? Politicians should be more interested in the BIG picture and not worry about their votes and pockets. They should worry more on incentives for those special assignments in which will provide a sense of appreciation. Most of all, money.
If fabrication is done in creating a novel and exact details are not displayed, then why not use your experience to make some money. People, and our enemy's love this stuff! But the key word is to FABRICATE the content!
12018342 Nov 13, 2008 12:02:48 PM Its the same thing as Viet Nam. Johnson and MacNamara sitting around drinking tea and selecting who and where to bomb next while our troops are put in harms way. Washington should let the troops do their job. They'll let Washington know when they need help
MichaelsNana Nov 13, 2008 1:36:52 PM Search, find & kill the SOB.
11491400 Nov 13, 2008 1:44:35 PM Maybe one of these days I'll leave a letter too, but "Ours not to reason why; ours is but to do and die." doesn't quite sum it up.
Meanwhile, Christian Lowe apparently ripped off the first paragraph of James A. Michener's "Bridges of Toki Ri": "From the vast empty plains of Siberia, howling winds roared down on the mountains of Korea, where American soldiers, lost on patrol, froze into stiff and awkward forms..."
I memorized that when I was in 8th grade, and I've carried it with me for over 50 years. The cold, the pain, the surgeries, more pain; it has never gone away. You never "retire".
Hauss102 Nov 13, 2008 2:05:54 PM Yep, thar's gold in dem hills and its in the form of military ops. Keep the hunt going, more defense money being shelled out to contractors. War is big business and we're all paying for it with blood, life and money.
5949924 Nov 13, 2008 2:17:47 PM There are many who operate outside the norm. My mother never knew what I did other than I was in the Army. My wife knew because she was with me behind that Iron Curtain and I taught her how to shoot a handgun so she would have more options during the times I was not home.
Do not judge those who operate off of intellegence too harshly. It is truly an art with a few facts thrown in for color. It did not matter if I thought the intell was bad/good, the users always made the call. I told my friends in An Loc for months (Dec-Feb)that "they were coming to take us away". Our Vietnam friends needed to be told what that meant, the US friends said no way. Before Easter 1972, everyone understood.retired.PMOS971AH, SMOS972A.
14191419 Nov 13, 2008 3:11:23 PM Seal Team 6 And USASFODD Are the Best At
what they do.They answer to A Higher Athority As Do USASF and Seal Teams.Special
Operation has become very popular with the different chains of command and
tactical commanders trying to get thier ticket punched by interceding and
tagging into these operations. The special operations community has become
over crowded.We have become prime targets and now we are having inter service
rivalries that do no good for mission security and accomplishments.I would
like to know who allowed Jeraldo Rivera's entire news team to go with the
Man Tracker teams to Toro Bora MTNS.Seems Like the Mission was Plauged from
the very top and Very Start.
cpo_bell Nov 13, 2008 3:37:15 PM Politics. War. World. Terror. None of these
mix. We need to get Bin Laden but it won't end anything. I'm retired and
know the frustration of "brass" making "field" decisions.
Some time we in the field must just do it without authorization. Not all
will agree that is ok. I don't want to live in a Muslim country because we
didn't do what we could have. Keep trying
Delta and SEALS.
irishpjk Nov 13, 2008 3:37:19 PM Another book I wont be reading. The real D F guys do the job and keep their mouths shut. By the way how can so many clueless people knock G W about Iraq. I say clueless because none of them seems to realize that it is easier to kill terrorists in the flat lands of Iraq than in the mountains of Afghanistan and most of the ones we killed in Iraq would have found their way into the fight eventually. After the surge when it got to hot in Iraq many of them are headed back to the hills of Afghanistan where they might live a little longer. By the way, I expect things to get hot again in Iraq, they will want to make sure the new CIC wont back away from his cut and run policy.
jack_mcmahon Nov 13, 2008 4:04:30 PM Finally it takes an Irishman to see
through the fog of war good points Irishpjk
When war broke out our weakness was in human intelligence; our strength in electronic inteligence. By keeping Bin Laden alive his lieutenants were forced to seek him out , thus feeding into our strengths until we could build up our weak humint. Killing him quickly would not have allowed us time to learn who the other players were. Time allowed us to learn.
Sending in delta was a no brainer that bin laden et al would have expected; not sending them in would have tipped al quada into being more circumspect; tying there hands once there allowed the full plan to flourish.
People need to stop thinking that oru strategic folks do not knwo what they are doing. Usually they cant tell us for 40 years.
We now know who is on the full roster of bad guys by keeping bin laden alive.
MP_I_AM Nov 13, 2008 4:33:03 PM As far as this article goes, it was written with the grunt in mind.. But as for the pride in such killing is disgusting to me. I am a soldier and I do not get thrilled by taking another human beings life. Bin Laden is a pawn in the fight for foreign oil and commodities. He was not solely responsible for 9-11; it was orchestrated by the Bush administration. Bin Laden family was here in the US when the attacks happened and were removed from our country under the cover of darkness. He may have claimed responsibility for the attacks, but do you think with all the militaries advanced equipment, he still has not been found, 7 YEARS later.. C'mon !! I know the area is vast, but even with Google Maps, I can see my front door, and Bin Laden can’t be found.. Something is really wrong here. Too many of our fellow soldiers have been killed trying to find him, some of them right next to me... Let the middle eastern's fight their own war, we all need to come home to safe and sound soil..
11523212 Nov 13, 2008 5:26:01 PM To Fury,
I am deeply on to be ably to comment to this article. You have done your best to get the one person we've all hoped would be gotten. To bad the Goverment doesn't see it that way. I hope "your" team succeeds.
God Bless you,
R.D. Leonard USN Ret
17533390 Nov 13, 2008 5:26:05 PM absoulutely right! Remove all media and
let the military do what they and our taxes train these men to do. It is
so sad how our military has to maintain one hand tied behind their backs
when fighting this war. Read Marcus Luttrell's book called LONE SURVIVOR.
It is a tragedy that all but one man lost his life for fear of America's
We the public do not need to know what goes on nor the necessary tatics the military uses in time of war. If we (public) need to know, then join the military! Lord, please bring every single man and women home safely and soon.
13176295 Nov 13, 2008 5:42:12 PM I think there is a good possibility that Delta has succeeded in their mission. We have not seen any credible video of Bin Laden for at least two years. The most recent video released last year, purporting to be bin Laden, was not bin Laden. It was one of his associates.
13176295 Nov 13, 2008 5:49:17 PM Why we can't find Osama bin Laden: He changed his name slightly, shaved off his beard and ran for President of the United States. and got elected!!
la1rose Nov 13, 2008 7:11:17 PM 13176295: your comment is not funny.
7877459 Nov 13, 2008 7:34:11 PM I can understand the higher-higher's not
wanting to have a massive bombing strike, and the ensuing Afghan deaths.
Re: New York Times, LA Times, Wash. Post, Chicago Trib, etc... We would have
been the "murderers, barbarians, warmongers" and all the rest of
the crap the mainstream media puts out. The decision was political, lets
face it, because the US is always worried about how we look to the rest of
the world. Well I say "F**k Them!" We are going to be hit again,
but this time our Pres will want to sit down and have a cup of joe with them,
and ask "Can't we all just get along?"
CGC278NSXN Nov 13, 2008 8:04:12 PM Based on much of the spelling in most
of these comments, most of the people posting couldn't fight their way out
of a wet paper bag. Sheesh!!!
drdemo Nov 13, 2008 10:37:17 PM I don't know the real reason we have yet to kill OBL and the truth is neither do any of you. No doubt DELTA did all they could. White House? None of us really know why they do the things they do and the truth is ,( for those of us that are fighting this war), we shouldn't care. We joined to do our job,(fight wars), regardless of the reason or politics involved.I don't care what the suits do, never have. I have learned over the past few month in my preperation to go to Afghanistan that the Afghan people can be baught for a small fee and typically don't care about anyone but themselves. It is thier nature to use anyone they can to the extent that they can. It has been thier culture for hundreds of years and will likely never change. Now that we have a new Commander and Chief who knows how long our search will continue but I will do all that I can to find him in my time there.And if I do I will kill him. I will not concern myself w/who gets credit for it or who's face is on it. I will not concern myself w/the Politicians or thier views. I will do it for the American people. Then I will do whatever is next as I am ordered. Thats what we do. If you know or understand nothing else know this' good men are still there and still in the hunt and will continue to do so untill otherwise ordered. If you are not or have not been there then really you just don't know. Let the politicians be the armchair quarter backs.Thats what we pay them to do. I'll let you know what I learn over there. Hell, maybe I'll write a book.LOL!
19142774 Nov 14, 2008 1:06:34 AM How about you ignorant bastards not dislose that the internet disclosed his true names it obviousley shows your liberal bias and solidifies the fact that I will never give a dime to anyone who supports military.com. I hope the terrorists find your families and deals with them in the same way you wish for operator fury.
19562372 Nov 14, 2008 8:52:43 AM i want to know if the white house wanted to so badly get osama bin laden, why didnt they send in more than just the delta force guys. what bout our force recon guys, our seals? why didnt we send in a bunch of guys from different branches, seals marines, delta, and go after him?
lvan5342 Nov 14, 2008 9:45:06 AM responsible for losing bin Laden .......
we may raise the question to the Senate Armed Service committee... The mistake they have made back from The VN.. We don't want to hear Whitechristmas anymore... Who is in control The Armed Service Committee in last 4 years? Bora bora is only one example.. any more....
14686856 Nov 14, 2008 9:48:42 AM AS A FORMER U.S. MARINE, 68&69, VIETNAM VET. I CAN SEE THE FRUSTRATION ON THE FACES OF THES SPECIAL TRAINED FORCES. WE TOO HAD MANY OPPORTUNITES TO TAKE OUT KEY TARGETS, BUT WE HAD TO CHECK WITH HIGHER AUTHORITIES BEFORE WE COULD PULL THE TRIGGER. OSAMAM/OBAMA, SEE ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE SPELLING? THEY BOTH ARE SKINNY AND TALL. OBAMA, SAYS HE WANTS TO RESUME THE HUNT FOR BIN LADEN, BUT I BELIEVE A DOMINOS PIZZA GUY, ON A MULE COULD DO A BETTER JOB AT FINDING HIM, ESPECIALLY IF OBAMA KNEW HE ONLY HAD 30MINUTES DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!HA!HA! DELTA FORCE IS LOOKING FOR YOU OBAMA, I MEAN OSAMA!!!
lvan5342 Nov 14, 2008 10:03:47 AM I am rather be a wildgoose....The assigment would be done better and faster.. The Armed Service Committee got its wish sometime it is almost a pleasure to know them... WILDGEESE WILDGEESE
7196841 Nov 14, 2008 10:59:23 AM Politics kept us back in Vietnam. Politics are still working. We live and wonder.
XFunc_CaRteR Nov 14, 2008 11:10:34 AM People in the "special forces community" need to understand that we need these stories to be told. History needs to be recorded. They can't control it.
17598788 Nov 14, 2008 11:38:53 AM I am so sick of hearing this Bush conspiracy crap. My cousin is a major and one of the foremost authorities on WMDs. He told me you can pack enough weapons grade bio into a coke bottle to kill every living thing in Georgia. Yes Saddam had WMDs, he used them against the Kurds. We gave him a year to move everything to Syria. SH was paying families of suicide bombers $50k/yr for life. Get over it and stop listening to the corrupt media who doesn't report facts, they just want to program how you think. Look what happened in the election, they spent more time investigating Joe Plumber and Sarah's wardrobe than they did the guy running...and on Nov 8 the big story from Brokaw, Juan Williams, etc was how we do not know where this guy really stands on the various issues. Sorry for the rant but fact remains we've been pretty safe under Bushes watch. This will not be the case under the new guy.
17598788 Nov 14, 2008 11:40:49 AM I am so sick of hearing this Bush conspiracy crap. My cousin is a major and one of the foremost authorities on WMDs. He told me you can pack enough weapons grade bio into a coke bottle to kill every living thing in Georgia. Yes Saddam had WMDs, he used them against the Kurds. We gave him a year to move everything to Syria. SH was paying families of suicide bombers $50k/yr for life. Get over it and stop listening to the corrupt media who doesn't report facts, they just want to program how you think. Look what happened in the election, they spent more time investigating Joe Plumber and Sarah's wardrobe than they did the guy running...and on Nov 8 the big story from Brokaw, Juan Williams, etc was how we do not know where this guy really stands on the various issues. Sorry for the rant but fact remains we've been pretty safe under Bushes watch. This will not be the case under the new guy.
13889218 Nov 14, 2008 12:43:47 PM Just think back. Had Clinton's order to kill the ******* been about 30 min sooner old Binny would have been reduced to dust.
kimsegar Nov 14, 2008 1:21:17 PM I know my history. I have NO doubt what so ever that it Delta was stopped to much and that everytime the stop was put on led back to Bush and the white house. The Feds pocket money from oil in Iraq, that was to pay for this war. Can't catch Bin laden or they would have to cut the war short. Like the commie from the days of Hitler is being protected in Saudi Araba, so there you will find Bin Laden, Now that the scam from the 1930's on this phony bailout, the global gov is happening right before our eyes and still most of America sleeps..Jihad is here, in gov and state and if we don't put a stop to it..we are done...Bin Laden came from Saudi just as the ones of 9/11 except for one who came from duabi,,who bought our last ports , sold to them by Bush against we the people. both sides of our gov are lawless and this last phony bailout is dead wrong. when they first came up with it of 200 billion, I said watch it grow. Now people are finding out the money that goes in these rip off pockets that we the people do not owe. Justice would be to throw them in prison, jail and try them for treason, murder and all else. G-d bless our troops and G-d bless America and my prayer is to take our country back, stand on our constitution and throw the bums. all 545 of them and their toodies into prison. They have blinded America and people best wake up ..